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Welcome back to another inspiring episode of Fierce Calling! I’m your host, Doris Swift, and today we have the pleasure of welcoming back a dear friend and esteemed guest, Dr. Evelyn Johnson-Taylor. With over three decades of leadership in women’s ministry, Dr. Evelyn is dedicated to guiding women through the many seasons of their lives, encouraging, empowering, and equipping them to triumph at every stage.

In this episode, we delve into her newest book, In and Out of Seasons: Thriving in Life’s Transitions, where she courageously shares her personal journey through loss, grief, and rediscovery. Through transparency and wisdom, Dr. Evelyn reveals how God uses life’s transitions to prepare us for our callings, reminding us that we are never alone in our journeys. Join us as we explore the power of embracing each season of life with hope and resilience.

Whether you’re navigating a season of change or seeking to find your purpose, this conversation promises to uplift and encourage. You won’t want to miss this. Grab a cup of your favorite beverage, settle in, and let’s dive into this transformative discussion with Dr. Evelyn Johnson-Taylor.

Episode Highlights

Dr. Evelyn’s Personal Journey and Calling

• Her unexpected journey into women’s ministry.
• The influence of her husband’s pastoral work on her path.
• The importance of recognizing one’s calling through interactions with others.

Impact of Loss and Life Transitions

• Dr. Evelyn’s experience with the passing of her husband and its emotional impact.
• Her approach to grief and the importance of aligning feelings with faith.
• The process of finding clarity and purpose after loss.

Purpose and Objectives of the Book

• Using personal experiences to help others through similar life transitions.
• Emphasizing empathy and understanding through shared experiences.
• Different types of life transitions covered in the book, including empty nest and divorce.

Engagement and Impact on Readers

• Feedback received from readers who relate to the book.
• Dr. Evelyn’s desire for readers to know they are not alone.

Practical Advice on Navigating Seasons and Transitions

• Encouragement to approach change with an open heart and mind.
• Insight into thriving through challenges and opportunities for growth.

Conclusion and Further Engagement

• Encouragement for listeners to connect with Dr. Evelyn through her website and social media.
• Information about Dr. Evelyn’s ongoing projects, including a prayer line for women.

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You can connect with Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor at https://evelynjtaylor.org/ where you’ll find all of her social media links, services, Women Called to Prayer prayer line, and more!

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What is threatening to steal your joy? What is it that feels so heavy right now that you could barely stand? God has a plan, and his plan is to surrender it. Surrender it to him. It might be a prodigal. It might be a relationship, a marriage, something with your job. So many things. We have so many amazing blessings, but there are so many things in our life that threaten to steal our joy. I’m Dora Swift, author of the award winning six week Bible study, Surrender the Joy Stealers Rediscover the Jesus Joy in You. And it helps women rediscover the overflowing, ever present Jesus joy within that fills, empowers, and ripens the fruit that God produces in our lives.

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Doris Swift:
Welcome back to the show. Today, I am so excited to welcome back my good friend and sister in Christ, doctor Evelyn Johnson Taylor. She has three decades of leadership in women’s ministry dedicated to guiding women through the various seasons of their lives. Her overarching vision is to encourage, empower, and equip women to triumph in every stage of life, which is so fitting for fierce calling, and she sure has one. Today, we’re talking about her newest book. I believe it’s her sixth book, actually, In and Out of Seasons, Thriving in Life’s Transitions, traditionally published by Elk Lake Publishing. And she is a requested speaker for for conferences, and she has a background in nursing and caregiving. And she’s a theology professor at great Grace and Truth Christian University in Tampa, Florida, which is amazing. Welcome back to the show.

Doris Swift:
It’s so great to have you.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Thank you, Doris. I am delighted to be back with you. I love spending time with you.

Doris Swift:
Thank you. I enjoy it so much too. And I know that my listeners are gonna be so encouraged by what you have to share. And you shared so much, in the previous episode that we did a while back and, talked a lot about your journey and the different seasons that you’ve been in. And you have really come out with a book that has been so encouraging, and I was so blessed to put a review, on Amazon for the book. And, you know, just to let people know that, you know, reviews really, really help authors to get the word out and more people can find the book. So it’s so important. So just a little reminder there, if you, love a book that you read and love an author, that if you do reviews, that’s, like, one of the best gifts ever.

Doris Swift:
So and it’s free, except for the book. But, you know, the review is free. So, so glad to have you back. So, doctor Evelyn, I would love if you would share a little bit about your story, maybe recap some things we’ve talked about before and how you’re currently taking action where your passion, compassion, and conviction intersect.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Yes. Thank you. I’ve as you said, I’ve been a women’s ministry leader now for for over thirty years. I started started teaching a women’s bible study when my youngest daughter was about she’s probably about nine months old, and that’s how I started. I have to say this part because it’s it’s not something that I really in aspired to do, not something that I set out to do. My husband was a pastor, just started pastoring, a young pastor. We had two young daughters, so I thought, you know, my my role would be to support him, of course, but to mainly just focus on raising out daughters. And the interesting thing happened is that women started coming to me and asking me, will you teach us? Will you help us? Can you can you advise me on this? And I thought, well, I don’t you know, what what am I gonna say? But they just kept coming.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And every time I would direct them to someone else, they would always come back to me. And what I discovered is that many times, we we have a call, you know, something that god has placed in us. And even though we don’t want to want to walk in it or go forth in it, he will send people around us to pull out of us what he has put in us. And I tell people this all the time that if you’re if you’re thinking I don’t know what I’m supposed to do, pay attention to who comes around you. Pay attention to the questions that they ask, you know, what kind of information they want from you. Because more than likely, what they’re asking from you is what God has placed in you to give them. Your purpose and your calling, it connects with what people are asking from you. So pay special attention to that.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
So the women just kept coming. And would you teach us, you know, a bible study or will you help us? I want advice on this this particular topic or something that I’m going through in my life. So So I started teaching this women’s bible study in my home, and the women, they would come, then they would bring other women, they would bring other women, and they just kept coming. And that’s how I got started over thirty years ago. And I’ve kind of done the same thing, you know, different different avenues. Writing books is one avenue that I use to teach and empower and encourage women. Speaking is another one. And so it’s just different ways that I do what I do.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
I do coaching. I do mentoring. But it’s all connected to that core purpose, and that is, you know, to teach and empower women. And God just gives different avenues for us to do that. And a lady asked me probably about two years ago, she said to me, she said, how did you know you were supposed to be writing books? When did the Lord speak to you about writing books? And I said to her, in all honesty, the Lord never really said to me to write books, quote, but he said that I was to empower women, to to aid women, to mentor, to encourage them. And that is just one of the avenues that I use to do that is writing books. So I believe the lord is pleased at that because that is one of the ways I do what it is that he has called me to do, to empower, encourage women.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. Wow. I really love that. And I and thank you for sharing about your experience and the very, very wise advice of paying attention because that God will send people to you to pull out of you what he’s put in you. I love how you had worded that. You worded it much more eloquently than I did. But it was, you know, really, really powerful, and it’s so true. Sometimes we don’t even realize the things that we have to offer other people.

Doris Swift:
We might not even think of ourselves as someone who could be a mentor, but we’re always a step ahead of someone. And and the way you opened up your home and women came because, you know, women are so hungry for the word and for fellowship and encouragement and to gather together because, we we need each other. And so I love that you did that. And, also, what I liked that you brought out the point that writing books was an avenue that you you know, like, the overarching call was to encourage, equip, you know, women, and so this is an avenue. So when we think about it, we may not necessarily hear something super specific, but we just are kind of led by the spirit to share in different other creative ways. So I love that you said that. That was really important. So

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Yeah. And that and that evolves over time, how you do it. Mhmm. But principle of what you do kind of remains or has remained the same for me. Yeah. It’s just evolved over time of how I go about doing that. I don’t necessarily host a women’s Bible study in my home now. Mhmm.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
I mean, we I teach studies sometimes via Zoom from my home, but I don’t have women coming in, which is okay if you do that. But I’m just saying that it evolves over time how you do what it is that God has for you to do. But what this the core or the center of what he has for you to do pretty much remains the same. That has been my experience.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. That’s really beautiful. And you have written so many books. You have many great books on your website, that you’ve already written. And then this new book, In and Out of Season, I know on the last show, we talked a lot about how you cared for your husband who was quite ill for many years, and you were a caregiver and called to also minister to caregivers. But because of your nursing background, you were equipped by God for that caregiving that you did with your husband. And and I remember you sharing how that was so much part of your life, and you you loved it, of course, because you loved him so much. And when that changed, it kind of you were kind of lost.

Doris Swift:
If you could kinda maybe take it from there and go forward to how this book came about.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Yes. That that is so true. And one of the things about I’m basically a very private person, and so it’s interesting that I would be a person who write books about my life. Right?

Doris Swift:
Right. Isn’t god fun? His sense of humor.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
But but that is it’s part of it’s part of the call. You know? It’s part of what I do, inspiring women by showing them or or letting them see my life and which is what the Lord spoke to me all those years ago. Let women see you, live in your life, doing what you do, and they gain encouragement and inspiration by what seeing you do what you do. So to be a private person, I have to tell you, a lot of times it’s very uncomfortable for me. Mhmm. And when I wrote this book, In and Out of Season, it was another another time of discomfort because I share in the book about when my husband passed away, which was was very hard for me. And and you might say, well, you were a caregiver for I was a caregiver for ten years, and you surely, you expected him to die. Why was it so hard? And I really don’t have the answer to that, but I know my experience was.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And I believe it I I really believe it has to do with that two becoming one in marriage. And when you lose your spouse, you actually, you lose a part of yourself because you’re one. And I that’s what I felt. When he left, I felt like a part of me left with him. Now I knew based on my faith and what I believe to be true and what I knew God had said concerning me that there was much work for me yet to do in the earth, but I didn’t feel like that. I felt like you’re never gonna do anything else. It’s over. He’s gone.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Just just retire. You know? Settle that settle into life. There’s nothing else for you to do. But I knew that wasn’t true. So what I had to do was align my feelings with what I knew to be true, and that was what god has said concerning me. And that was the journey that I set out on, and it took some time. It wasn’t an overnight thing. I had to I had to speak to myself and affirm myself and say what God has said about me and what his word said about me over and over because I was at a place where I felt like, okay.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Everything that you’ve ever thought you would do is not gonna happen now because Scott’s gone. He was a, a strong supporter, a good husband, a man of God, you know, someone who prayed for me, prayed over me, covered me. And And I felt uncovered, exposed, very vulnerable, like I would never do anything significant with my life again. And I know that may sound strange for somebody who had been a women’s ministry leader at the time for close close well, twenty five years close to twenty five years at the time. And I had spoken to the lives of many women, but that’s just how I felt. And I just have to be honest. That’s how I felt. But I knew that wasn’t true.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
So I had to align my feelings with what I knew to be true, and that was what god’s words said about me. So in this book, I do share very openly about that journey of how I was feeling and the loss that I felt and just the sadness and and and believing that things would never work out for me. But what I was able to do, and it was important to me, and I know people grieve differently. But for me, I had to take a moment just to sit with my grief and trying to get some direction and clarity about what had happened and what that meant for me on the other side and what life would look like for me as a widow. And so I had to take some time to do that. I went to grief counseling and spent some time with a counselor who helped me kind of understand the journey and what the journey was like. I had strong support for my family and my church family and just people around me, but I still needed to take a moment to sit with it. So I what I did was I kinda backed away from responsibilities willingly and just to take some time to embrace where I was and understand as much as I could what was happening.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And and when I did that, I began to get some clarity and then understanding that, you know, my husband, Scott, he finished his assignment. He had fulfilled his assignment in the earth. But the fact that I was still here meant that I had not fulfilled mine, that there was still work for me to do, and that I would do and would continue to do what it what it whatever that looked like, it would look differently, but I would still continue to do what it is that god had planned for me to do. Even though it may look different to me, I would do it. And that’s what happened when I was able to just take some time to settle myself, to step back from some responsibilities that I had, and just get some clarity and focus on what the future would look like. And I know not everybody does it like that. You know, some people tell me they like to dive in to work and busy themselves. And and if that’s what works for them, then I’m I’m okay with that.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
But that wasn’t what I I wanted to do. I needed to to take some time. And one of the reasons I wanted to do that was because like everything else in my life, I knew God would use it at some point for me to help another widow or someone who’d lost someone close to them. And if I was going to be able to help them, then I needed to know what to say to them. I didn’t wanna just say, well, I don’t know. It just I don’t know how I got over it, but I wanted to be able to give them some tools, some some instructions, some strategies, some tips on what they could do. And that was the reason I wanted to take my time to to grieve, to feel the loss, to sit in it, to be present in that moment, and just to embrace it and get some clarity so that I could help somebody else who was coming after me.

Doris Swift:
That is really going to encourage someone right now who’s listening because as you said, you took some time to kinda sit in your grief and to just lay some things down. And after that process, you began to get some clarity as to how to move forward. It didn’t mean you weren’t doing anything at all. It just meant that there were certain things that you needed to wait on the Lord as you work through what you needed to work through. And like you said, you know, if people have shared that they jump right back into things and maybe do it that way, And that might like you say, that might be a way that works for others, and maybe they find healing that way. But also to keep in mind that you’re doing that for the right reasons, like, not just trying not to face what you might be meant to feel and face to to kinda work through it. So but I love that you went to counseling and to just have someone else sit there even if it was to listen, you know, just kind of that that ministry of being present and listening is so important. So so then you you wrote this book, and I love that it gives practical advice.

Doris Swift:
Like you said, you don’t wanna just give, like, a a simple answer or not have any good response to someone that needs some help. And that’s the heart of a of a mentor, you know, wanting to help others along with what you’ve learned. And so as you go through this now, what are some of the things that you’ve been hearing about women or from women actually who have been going through the book?

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
I’ve I’ve gotten so much positive feedback, which makes me feel better because I did put myself out there in a way that was very uncomfortable for me. But when I hear women say things to me, one lady in particular, she said to me, she said that some things that she had gone through, And she said, I thought I was healed. I thought I was over it. And she said, when I started to read your book, I realized I had not done the work that I needed to do. And she said, so now I feel like I’m really getting to the place where I am healing and being healed. And she said, thank you so much for being open and sharing. And I’ve heard that from from numerous people who’ve read the book. You know, thank you for being open, your openness.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And I said, well, okay. If as long as it is helping somebody, I can deal with it because I felt like I just kind of exposed myself in a way Yeah. That I had never done before. And and I and I said as long as it’s helping someone, then I feel like, okay, god. It was it was worth it.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. And it’s just really sweet that you hear that confirmation. And I think that the Lord allows you to receive that, to kind of confirm, yes. This is something that I had called you to do and to share and that you would use your experiences to help others Yeah. Which is so important.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And your and I cover there are other things. Obviously, my journey, I cover in the book, but I do talk some about write write some about, you know, empty nesters because that was also an experience that I had I had as a mother and my husband. We had with both of our children leaving home within a two year period going to college. And so that was I think it was more difficult for him than for me, but, that is another shift or a season that we go through in life. And then there’s, a lady who I spoke to who had gone through a divorce. I I write a little bit about her story in there as well. She gave me her story to share. Just just that whole adjustment period.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
So we do go through different seasons in life, and nothing is nothing is forever, good or bad. It’s not forever. And so we have to know that things will change. And when things change, it sometimes it can be very difficult for us to shift when the shift happens. And sometimes if we’re not careful, we can get stuck where we are. And that is something that none of us really want to do. And that was one of my part of my motivation for writing this book because I know what is when a person gets stuck, sometimes it makes it twice as hard to move because they’re stuck there. And I wanted to write this book just to share my experience and and my journey of how I’ve been able to navigate through things with the help of the Lord and just encourage other people as well.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And not just to navigate, but to be able to thrive in the process, which I think is so important that we look at these these challenges that we face in life as opportunities for growth because there’s something to be learned in every season. And you think, you know, what can be learned by my husband dying? But I can tell you that as a result of my husband’s death, I have such a new compassion and empathy for people who are suffering losses, whether it be spouses or or jobs or, you know, children, but just such a new empathy for them having had that experience. And so I feel like whatever the lord allows us to go through, that there’s something in there for us to learn that we can help the next person who may encounter that. So this book, I believe, from what I’ve heard from people, they have been encouraged by it. I had someone contact me the other day. I guess it was maybe last week or week before last who was six months a widow. And they said they had to put it down a couple of times because it was kinda hard to read it. But they understood, and they could see themself in that journey.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And and I think for me, when I read a book and I can see myself in it, it always helps me to know that I’m not alone. And that was my when people ask me, what do you want people to get out of the book? There’s so many things I want you to get out of it, but the most important thing for me is I want the reader to walk away knowing that they’re not alone. Even if it’s just the pages of the book, there’s somebody else who has walked this journey, and you’re not alone.

Doris Swift:
Beautiful. Yeah. Because I was gonna say, what what do you want readers to take away from that? So that is a very important thing to, to mention because that is just, you know, something that everyone can relate to. You know, there’s just certain common threads that we all have and and just being comforted by those words, you know, is so important. And the fact that there are different seasons, there’s different lengths to different seasons, and how you cover different types of seasons in the book, I think that’s really important too. That’s very relatable. And I know too speaking of literally, you know, the seasons we go through, you and I live in Florida, and it’s a little different than when, you know, maybe we’ve lived in other states or I was born in New Jersey and moved here in ninth grade. So it’s a little different season wise.

Doris Swift:
Seasons don’t always look the same or last as long. And

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Well, the the thing about Florida, what I realized is that because up north, I moved here from Maryland, and, typically, you have signs early that the season is about to change. You know, the trees, the weather may start to get a little cooler, and you know something is about to happen. Mhmm. Where in Florida, sometimes we don’t get those warning signs.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And we move from season to season. Maybe there’s no change in the weather. We don’t see any leaves changing colors, but the seasons still change whether we get the warnings or not. And I I feel like life is like that, that sometimes we get a warning or a signal that something’s about to change. Sometimes we don’t, but it’s but it changes anyway. Nothing is going to stay the same. It’s there will be seasons of high, seasons of lows, seasons of comfort, seasons of being uncomfortable. You know, things will change.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
So we really when you think about it, we’d might as well expect it. Right? Right. Because it’s gonna happen.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And and how we transition, that’s gonna be the key because we can we can get stuck and say, I don’t wanna go. I don’t wanna go. But if the season is gonna change, so we want to be able to move as the season move, move as life moves as we go through this life. And the things that we experience, we wanna be able to walk through those things and be able to learn as we go so that we can reach back and pull somebody else or help somebody else who may be feeling like they can’t make it.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
But it’s so that’s what it’s all about for us.

Doris Swift:
Yes. And I and I love how you really brought that out about some places, seasons, the shift. You can feel the shift. You know where when it’s coming. And then in other ways, we might not feel the shift, but yet we segue into a new season. But, also, oftentimes, we can look back after we’ve gone through a season to see prior to the season how God had equipped us or readied us when we weren’t even we really didn’t even realize it until later, and it’s, you know, just such Yeah. Such a loving father that we have. So Yeah.

Doris Swift:
But this has just been so amazing having you back on and talking about this. And, again, the book is In and Out of Seasons, thriving in life’s transitions. And if you could tell us, how the listener can connect with you and find all the wonderful resources and the the services that you offer and your books.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
The best place to connect with me is on my website, evelyn j taylor dot org. You can connect with me there, contact me, send me an email, see what’s going on. There’s an event page there that lets you know all of the events that are going on, and there’s a bookstore page there. This book’s not available there, but there is a bookstore page there with some of my other books and courses and and classes and things like that that I teach. Social media, Evelyn j Taylor, Instagram x, Facebook. I’m on LinkedIn, doctor Evelyn j Johnson Taylor on LinkedIn. So social media or either my website would be the best place to connect with me and learn more about me, what I do, some of the services that I offer, and just to say hello. There’s a, one other thing I wanna say, there is a woman it’s called women called to pray, a prayer line that I’ve been doing now since 02/2012.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
I think we started it every Thursday morning, 06:30AM Eastern Standard Time, and it is open to women from all literally all over the world. Anyone who wants to join in, you there’s a number that you dial in. You don’t have to get dressed or anything. It’s all telephone. So no one’s gonna see you. And just be a part of the prayer. We come on every Thursday morning, open up the line where people can give their prayer requests, and then we just pray for half an hour. And we always like to close with a time of praise and worship and thanks to God.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
And it’s a beautiful thing just to hear the voices of women thanking God and giving him praise over the telephone on Thursday mornings.

Doris Swift:
So beautiful. Yeah. And that’s right on your website. And so I It is. Yeah. And I’ll be sure to put all the links in the show notes so the listeners, whoever’s listening, can reach out to you, and I hope they will because you’re just such an encouragement. And, you know, I just love all the things that God is doing in and through you to encourage women and to enable them to walk in their fierce calling.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Well, thank you, guys. And I love what you do to it. And I love the name of your podcast. It when I every time I hear you say fierce calling, it kind of gets me excited because it tells you that there’s some fight that you have to you have to you have to engage in in order to fulfill what it is that God has called you to do. Amen. You have to be ready, prepared.

Doris Swift:
Amen. Amen. And every woman of God has a fierce calling. So if you’re listening right now, God has a call for you and call on your life. And just, like doctor Evelyn has said earlier in the show, listen and just pay attention to what he’s doing with others in your life to seek out what advice and the gifts that you have, and you’ve got gifts to give. So I just would wanna encourage everyone that’s listening that because sometimes women might feel like they don’t have much to offer or that because of where they’ve been or what they’ve done or what’s been done to them, that they cannot, be used by God or serve him, and that is not true. Right?

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
That’s that’s a lie.

Doris Swift:
That is a lie, and we are not gonna believe that.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
That is not true.

Doris Swift:
That is not true. So I hope that really encouraged you today if you’re listening in. And thank you so much again for being on the show, doctor Evelyn Johnson Taylor. And you have so much more coming out, I’m sure, that we will be seeing as we go along. So be sure to follow her, join her email list so you can get all the updates. It’s right on the front page. You can join it, and we just loved having you on today. And God bless you and your ministry and all that, you know, God has called you to share and keep walking walking forward, walking in the calling.

Doris Swift:
I love that, you know, how Paul says walk worthy in the calling with which you were called. So Yeah. We wanna do that as women of God. So thank you so much, and God bless you, and we will talk soon.

Dr. Evelyn Johnson Taylor:
Thank you, Doris.