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Welcome back to another inspiring episode of Fierce Calling! Today, we’re thrilled to have a conversation with the multifaceted Josh Huisman. Josh is not only a pastor but also an author, coach, artist, and podcaster. In today’s episode, Josh shares his incredible journey through the ups and downs of life and how he has embraced a path where his passion, compassion, and conviction uniquely intersect. He opens up about the transformative power of intentionality, whether it’s through cultivating a routine of reading scripture, harnessing creativity through music and art, or leading a healthier lifestyle.

His stories and insights offer practical advice on how incremental growth can lead to significant life changes. Join us as we dive deep into an engaging dialogue about faith, creativity, and transformation. Plus, don’t miss the chance to hear about his exciting projects, including his podcasting ventures and upcoming book.

Listen in for an episode filled with wisdom, encouragement, and a reminder of the impact of making small, intentional changes every day.

Key Topics and Takeaways …

• Intentional Living: Josh shared the importance of having a game plan in various aspects of life, whether it’s setting a daily routine for Bible reading, creating healthy habits, or pursuing personal passions. He emphasizes the power of showing up every day and making intentional choices. 🌱
• Faith in Action: With his vibrant story from being a sports enthusiast to a pastor and musician, Josh inspired listeners to trust in God’s plans. His journey reminds us that total surrender and openness to where God leads can result in a fulfilling and purpose-driven life. 🙏
• Incremental Growth: Josh advocates for incremental daily changes rather than extreme short-term goals. Whether it’s health, faith, or professional growth, small, consistent efforts lead to sustainable transformation over time. 💪

To listen to more of Josh’s journey and inspiring insights, check out the full episode of “Fierce Calling.” This is a must-listen for anyone looking to enrich their life with purpose and intentionality!

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Transcript

Doris Swift:
Welcome back to the show. Today, I am so excited to introduce to you my friend, Josh Heismann. He is a pastor, an author, a coach, an artist, and a podcaster. He does a lot. He wears a lot of hats. So we’re looking forward to getting into this conversation. He had me as a guest on his show, which was amazing, and I really enjoyed being on that show so much. And I’ll put the link in the show notes so you can go back and check that show out as well.

Doris Swift:
And for now, we’re gonna jump into our conversation and have you just hear a little bit about, Josh’s story. So welcome to the show. We’re glad to have you on Josh.

Joshua Huisman:
Doris, it is an honor to be on here and to be a part of this program. And thank you so much. And it’s cool to you know, we had you on a month ago, and now it’s cool to be on your show. So thank you very much.

Doris Swift:
Thank you. Yeah. I love when we can kind of reciprocate that and just get, so we’re, like, sitting at the opposite end, you know, from host to guest. And so it’s kinda neat to be able to switch up like that. And I would love if you would share with our listeners a little bit about your story and how you’re currently taking action where your passion, compassion, and conviction intersect.

Joshua Huisman:
My passion, compassion, and conviction intersect? Is that what is that okay.

Joshua Huisman:
Yeah. I like that. Calling.

Joshua Huisman:
It’s really good. Oh, I’ve been in full time ministry for over 20 years. I started as a youth pastor in 2003. Before that, I had a couple different things that I really wanted to do with my life. I grew up in a sports family on the south side of Chicago, and both my my brothers and I played baseball and grew up you know, we’re we’re all within 3 years of each other. And so we just grew up always playing on the same teams with one another through high school. And we took that on even into college and went on and played baseball at Ole Miss, University of Mississippi in the SEC. And that was a wonderful time.

Joshua Huisman:
In fact, my junior year, my older brother was a senior. I was a junior, and my younger brother, Justin, was a freshman. So we’re all in the same team together, and it was such a cool experience and, and I loved playing baseball. I thought that’s what I was going to do. Do that professionally. God had other plans for me when that came to an end. Both my brothers went on and played pro ball. But when that came to an end for me, I switched gears and and went into the music world and played music and sang, and I love doing that.

Joshua Huisman:
And I really thought that was a direction that God was gonna take my life as well. So I was pursuing that living just north of Nashville between the year 20,021,003. And I was working at a Christian radio station while I was trying to pursue the music thing and something crazy happened and I lost that job. And my wife and I were we we were in a place where we’re going, what are we what are we gonna do? And, lord, whatever you want us to do, we’ll do it. We just need to hear from you. And literally, the next morning I I mean, it it sounds like out of a book. I I should write it. I should put it in a book.

Doris Swift:
You should.

Joshua Huisman:
Literally, the next morning, I get a phone call from the church I grew up in, and it was my mom. And she said, we’re looking for a youth pastor. And I know you’re doing the music thing, and you’re trying to get that going. And and but our pastor said, can you at least just call Josh and see if he’d have any interest in moving back to Chicago in doing this? Now we had just prayed the day before, Doris, and said, god, whatever it is, we’re we’ll do it. And my goodness, that that was the beginning of full time ministry. My wife, Sarah was pregnant with our first child at the time, when he was born. Then just a few months later, we moved up Chicago. We did youth ministry up there for for 3 years, and then God called me back down to where I am now, which is on the south side of Nashville, Tennessee.

Joshua Huisman:
And I work, for a church started as a youth pastor at New Hope Community Church in Brentwood, Tennessee. Did that for several years, and then they moved me into the senior pastor role. And I’ve been doing that for 11 years. So I’ve been here 18 years of craziness. So that’s the I’m trying to put it in a nutshell for you.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. Wow. Well, that sure is a great story. The part of your story about the whole the, like, total surrender. Because it’s just time and again, you know, when we see when we surrender something to God and say, okay. We have no idea what’s gonna happen next and you do. And so we’re just gonna trust wherever you send us. And then the next day because that happens a lot.

Doris Swift:
Sometimes it takes a while, but it just seems like he wanted to get your attention right away and get you where you needed to go and just continue the equipping of what his call was on your life. So I think that’s fantastic. And it is interesting too how your your brother you all were in school at the same time, played for the same team. It’s like you were, like, ruling the sports arena in your high school. And, and then they went on to do what you thought you were gonna do. And then you did something you thought you were gonna do, and then here you are. But you’re still doing some music. Right? Do you still do that?

Joshua Huisman:
I do. I’ll lead worship at our church every once in a while. And I also pretty cool story. I for several years, when I became a senior pastor of a church, I thought, well, that music side of me, I’m gonna let that just go dormant and just fade away. And I actually found that to be very not healthy for me. In fact, in after several years, I realized this needs to come back into my life. God gave me this even just for an outlet for myself to be able to do it. And so I began to work my way back into it.

Joshua Huisman:
And then, then, up to the point where even 2 years ago, I I wrote a project, just a 4 song project that I put out called seasons under my name, which was kind of a, an introspective look at things that was were going on in my life. And one of those songs is actually called chase the sunset, which many people will relate to because it’s all about loving the beach and going to the beach and just sitting there and and giving giving life a reset and relaxing. And even, you know, in, 2nd Corinthians 10:5, take every thought captive. Well, the beach is a good place to kind of restart and take thoughts captive and just go, Hey, it’s not as bad as I think it is. And let me just be here and chase the sunset has. It’s become the most successful thing that I’ve ever done. In fact, I would encourage anyone go and go to YouTube and put in chase the sunset, Josh Heitzman and check it out. And, I think you’ll, you’ll enjoy it because I really wanted to capture, a peaceful a moment.

Joshua Huisman:
It’s it’s actually a mid tempo song, but it it just, to me, encapsulates what I feel when I wanna go and hang out at the beach and be a part

Joshua Huisman:
of that.

Joshua Huisman:
So, anyway, that’s that’s my plug.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. That’s beautiful. I’ll I’ll put the link in the show notes too so people can go check that out. But and thanks for the reminder because I live, like, 15 minutes from the beach, and I I, like, never get down there. And I keep thinking, I gotta get down there. I gotta get and, you know, I grew up in New Jersey, so we had to travel It seemed like forever when you’re a kid to try to travel down the shore, but it was probably only like 45 minutes. It probably wasn’t that far, but it was just something we got to do. We had lakes and those kind of things, you know, in our in our neighborhood, in our area.

Doris Swift:
But the actual beach with the ocean and all of that is just so powerful and just like, just we’re just awestruck when we see that magnificent, you know, body of water washing into the shore and all of that. And so, but yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
Well, if you’re 15 if you’re 15 minutes away from it, then I would just say, listen. You know, Jesus would often retreat on these these little getaways that were right there by him, but he would spend time with the father to find rest and to just have that alone time. And I I think every single person who’s listening right now, if you don’t already have one, you need to identify where is the place that’s accessible to you, that’s easy to get to, that it could even just be your back porch or your house, whatever, that that you know when I need that reset. It could be every day. I need that reset in that time with God that this is the place where I’m gonna do it, and I’m gonna keep it sacred, and I’m gonna I’m gonna protect it. This is my place. Yeah. And Jesus did that.

Joshua Huisman:
And if he did it, that’s good enough for me too.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. Amen. That is so good. And then you’re kind of reserving that space. Because I know I’ve heard you say before that you have kind of changed your lifestyle habits, and you you wanted to make certain things, like, accessible during your day. Like, you wanted to read your bible, you would keep your bible close by, or where you knew you were gonna be, and that kind of thing. So if you could talk a little bit about how it might help someone listening right now to start cultivating those type of good habits, because we cultivate a lot of bad habits. But how do we kind of get on that track, with with doing that with, you know, the healthy lifestyle and drawing close and just being healthy disciple all the way around.

Joshua Huisman:
Yeah. Well, this this will be interesting to some, because like I said, I’ve been in full time pastoral ministry for over 20 years. And this has not always been something that I’ve been good at spending time reading the Bible, spending time in prayer. And I was probably like most who, who would say things like, you know, I really wanna start reading the Bible more. I really wanna spend more time with God and and and really grow my relationship with God. And I would say those things too as I was preaching multiple times a week and teaching lessons and doing all of those things. But for me, the real. A light bulb moment happened.

Joshua Huisman:
I went to the Cove in Asheville, North Carolina, as we know right now, Asheville is just going through it. Yeah. Praying, praying for everyone there. But the cove, Billy Graham’s place is there, and they do retreats. They do teaching and seminars, but but, I did a sabbatical a few years ago, which it was just it was a short 1 month sabbatical. And and one of those weeks, I went and did a personal guided spiritual retreat at The Cove. With we went in, you spent 3, 4 days with a group of people. John Parrish is the pastor on staff there.

Joshua Huisman:
He leads that guy to retreat and and, you know, points you to scripture. And we went around the room, and he and he gets input from everyone in the room. One lady in there, she probably didn’t even realize that she was changing my life. She’s just making a comment and contributing to the group, but but God just made this light bulb go off. She said, I make it a point when I wake up in the morning, I put my bible over my phone. You know? So you’ll hear some people say, don’t put tech technology in the room or don’t do any of that. But she says, I intentionally take my bible, and I put it over the phone so that if I’m gonna go and check my phone first, I have to make a decision that I’m gonna move my bible and reject God to go to my phone first. And I thought, that’s amazing.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
So so it put this thought in my head. What if I put my Bible where I knew I was gonna be every day? So when I wake up in the morning, it’s it’s right there. And and with that thought in mind then, I’m gonna make a decision. I am not going to check my phone. I’m not gonna turn on the news. I’m not going to do anything that’s gonna distract me away from the first thing I’m gonna do is spend time in the word. So now so then so now I got the wheels turning. Okay? And then I thought to myself, okay.

Joshua Huisman:
What is the one thing on top of that that keeps people from reading scripture is most people will say, I wanna read my Bible more, but then they don’t actually have an intentional place where they’re gonna read their Bible. And when I say where, meaning not where you’re gonna sit in a chair, but I’m talking about what text are you going to read that day. So, for example, right now, tomorrow, I know that my reading in the New Testament is Luke chapter 12. My reading in the Old Testament is Amos chapter 3, and I’m in Song of Solomon because I like to read through the wisdom books. I’m in Song of Solomon chapter 4. I set those things. I know what they are tomorrow. So now I know all I need to do is I know where my Bible is, and I know exactly what I’m gonna read.

Joshua Huisman:
I’m taking all the decisions out

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
And I’m just doing them. This all came from that time in the cove, from a lady saying one thing and God going, here’s the game plan. Wow. Intentional living. And and now I’m I’m, a couple years into it. I never started this saying, oh, I wanna read through the whole Bible. I have now doing doing this, and it’s it’s just an intentional plan of, I read a chapter in the New Testament each day, a chapter in the Old Testament, and a wisdom book of the Bible chapter. And I put an x next to them, and and I keep going through it.

Joshua Huisman:
It’s been wonderful.

Doris Swift:
Wow. That is so encouraging. And to think that it was from hearing that one thing, like you said, the woman that was there, she had no idea the impact that those words would make on you, and who knows what’s in the room. And oftentimes, we’re prompted to share something, but we really don’t know why we’re sharing it or that somebody else in the room needs to hear it. And so God can use us to do those things. And and I love how intentional it is. Because like you said, you’re taking the decision out because that is something that can be a roadblock. Like, I don’t you know, and by the time you figure out what you’re gonna read, and then next thing you know, the phone rings or the kids are calling you or you know, there’s different things that happen.

Doris Swift:
So having that game plan I mean, when you played baseball, there was a plan. Right? I mean, they have a batting order. They it’s like there’s a strategy to this. So it’s not, you know, unusual or unbiblical to, like, have a a plan and yet not have it to be legalistic. Because I know sometimes people can fall into that. Right? If they feel like they are just doing it because they feel like they have to. Right?

Joshua Huisman:
Right. And you’re you’re a 100% right. And this one this one change that I’ve done in my life, this intentional plan that started with bible reading has completely transformed all areas of my life from, you know, the this this scripture where Jesus, you know, tells us, love the lord your god with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Love the lord with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and all your strength. And so to start with my heart is the time that I spend in the word with the Lord. I love the Lord with all my heart. That’s my bible reading. With all my soul, everything that I am.

Joshua Huisman:
You talk about my passion. He becomes my my passion with all my my mind. So I set my my mind on on his ways and the things above. And then also it drives the decisions and things I make throughout the day. And then with all my strength, it the last component of it was now I want to get healthy physically. I want I want to transform my life from top to bottom. And the plan that I did starting with bible reading, I took that same exact idea of intentionality and applied it to every area, and God’s just been doing awesome things from it. So

Doris Swift:
Wow. I love how you unpack that scripture because sometimes we can just read right through it and kinda rattle it off, but we don’t really take time to actually chew on it. And and what does this actually mean to love God in this way and and everything? So I love how you kinda broke that apart and applied it. So it’s applicable, you know, for someone to just think things through. And to think about just simple changes can make such an impact. And I think sometimes we just settle. We settle for, like, okay. You know, it’s not, like, really God’s best, and we just settle for, I’ll take a walk tomorrow or, you know, I’ll I’ll read the bible next week, or we might even be involved in a bible study, but that’s the only thing that we’re doing is studying that one, you know, bible study, but not actually studying it on our own.

Doris Swift:
So I think, you know, that’s that’s an encouragement to be intentional about that and doing it because you love, like, to even pray for a hunger and a love for the word, so that we don’t feel like we’re just wanting to read because we have to.

Joshua Huisman:
Yes. That is so good. Be I’m glad you said that because I used to pray that really frequently. I would when I was trying to go, I lord, I need to spend more time in your word, but I I just don’t have that desire. And that’s a very real thing. Right? We you know, time in the day goes by really fast. You get a lot of things going on for anyone raising kids or whatever. I got 4 kids, by the way.

Joshua Huisman:
And so you’re you’re taking them to this event. You’re you’re trying to keep the house in order over here. On top of that, I have the pastoral responsibilities of the the church and the things that we have going on. It’s very easy to wake up and just run, run, run, run, run, and miss it. And I used to hold my Bible reading time and say, I’m going to do that. That’s the last thing I’ll do of the day, because I’m not a morning person, yada, yada, yada. And I would get to the end of the day and I’m like, I am so tired. I just I’m going to bed.

Joshua Huisman:
Okay. And I realized this, this needs to change. And so I would pray. I was like, Lord, just put up a desire in my heart and a passion to, to do this. And the way God did that was he had that lady share that moment and he clicked the light bulb because this here’s how you can do it. This is, this can be a me and you time that we do first thing in the morning. You don’t have to wake. This is just me now.

Joshua Huisman:
You don’t have to wake up at sunrise, Josh, and do it. Okay? You just wake up when you when you do, and let it be the first thing that you go to. And, and so it’s been wonderful.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. That’s so freeing too. Because I I know oftentimes we might hear someone gets up and they do their quiet time at, like, oh, I wake up at 5 or, you know, 4:30 or something to have the quiet time and all. And sometimes people can be intimidated because it’s like, well, I, you know, I don’t really think I can do that. But the way you’ve explained it, you have a plan and you just get up and make that a priority and start with it. Because the things that we put off, you know, what gets scheduled gets done kind of thing. I think Michael Hyatt said that. I don’t I don’t remember for sure.

Doris Swift:
But, but, yeah, it’s important to have a plan and get up and and do that and have that, like, start your day because and it’s not like just the like, I I love different scripture passages. Sometimes we’ll get these reminders from these different apps, and it’ll be like the verse of the day. You know? And it’s like, it’s nice to have a verse of the day, but it’s not it doesn’t take the place of actual studying and reading and understanding because oftentimes that’s taken out of context. And I’m going through a class right now that’s called, out of context. It’s by Mhmm. The Brad and Brad guys that do walking the text, and, they have a series called out of context, and they go through these very well known bible verses that people often take out of context, you know, might put it on a t shirt or or on a coffee cup or something. And, but it’s just important to know the background and what that verse actually means. Like, what really stuck out to me about the Jeremiah, 2911, because, you know, we quote that all the time, about God has plans for us not to harm us, but to give us hope in a future and to prosper us.

Doris Swift:
And and so the word prosper in that verse means shalom, and that is so much more precious than prosperity gospel kind of stuff. You know? So I think that’s important. So I love how you just implemented this because, as you said, this light bulb

Joshua Huisman:
Well, in anything that person does, you know, my hope is that someone listens to me or listens to you. And what what every person needs to do is is understand that that they need to seek the Lord and find something that works for them. The most important thing is that you do it, that you open God’s word, and that you read it. But don’t listen to me and say, oh, it has to be in the morning, or don’t listen to someone else to say it has to be at night. Don’t listen to whatever it may be. But but the thing I will say is, let it become an intentional thing that you know you’re gonna do, and then you work with that a little. Find out what works for you. And the most important thing when I’m when I’m coaching people or talking to someone about this, I will say, here’s what’s gonna happen.

Joshua Huisman:
You’re going to open the scriptures on that first day, and you’re gonna start reading. And you might like it. And you’re gonna read that chapter that that I I told you to read, and you’re gonna go, I’m gonna read 2 chapters because I’m enjoying this. And then you’ll go, I’m gonna read 3 chapters because I’m enjoying this. And I’ll tell them, do not do that. And there here’s the reason why. Because what we’re trying to establish is not how many chapters you can read in a day. What we’re trying to establish is a new daily routine that each day you’re gonna return and read.

Joshua Huisman:
You read that one chapter today, and tomorrow you’re reading chapter 2. And the day after that, you’re reading 3, and you’re showing up every day. And it usually takes for me, it took 6 to 8 weeks to to build habits into my life that I guarded and I protected them. And when I got to 6 to 8 weeks, now this is not a, oh, I have to do something or whatever it may be. These these are the things that when I go to bed at night, just like when I look forward to having coffee in the morning, I look forward to spending my time in the word just as much. And I I cannot state this enough. That was not me before. This was a new way that God built new habits into my life of just spending time with him.

Joshua Huisman:
And my last thought, I will just say for those verses of the day are great, but go back to the scripture that says we’re to love the Lord our God with all our heart. Right? Just like I love my wife with all my heart. And because I love my wife with all my heart, I don’t go to her in the morning and say, hey. Just give me one line for the day.

Doris Swift:
Right. Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
We have a relationship, and we have conversations. And the context of reading scripture in a chapter is relationship. It’s getting the full picture of who God is when you do it in that way. Verses of the day are great, and they’re good to cherry pick and, you know, you can even slap them on your mirror or whatever it may be, but read the read the context. Learn the scripture.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. Yes. So good. That’s such a good word right there. And it is about relationship. So Yes. That’s so important. And, yeah.

Doris Swift:
Well, great. Hey. Hey.

Joshua Huisman:
Hey. On a fun note on a fun note, if you hear drums going on in the background and you hear music and stuff, I’m I’m doing our studio is in our church has a thing called create hope studios, and we do drum lessons, guitar lessons, painting, art lessons, all that fun stuff. And there’s a drummer going on in the background now. So if someone’s going, what is going on? That’s that’s the fun noise. So anyway, just had to put that disclaimer out there.

Doris Swift:
Okay. Well, that’s awesome. That’s really cool that you offer that and use the space, you know, that God has given for creativity. You know? So I love that. So, so tell us about okay. So you write. You have podcast. Tell us about those kind of things and how God is working in your life through those avenues.

Joshua Huisman:
Yeah. The the, the podcasting part of it, I’ll just say, right now, the studio that I’m sitting in is in Create Hope Studios. We we started this as a part of a vision that, the Lord really gave gave me to train up young people and to give them opportunities to use their gifts. I was at a conference years ago called SEEDS Conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Church on the Move, and one of the speakers gave a talk. They just said, how come as a church we’ve we’ve given away the arts and we’ve, we’ve said as a church, we’re we’re just gonna let the culture take care of that stuff. And he goes, as a result, we’re getting what we’re getting now. And that really hit home for me because I I grew up in a church where I was able to be a part of, you know, passion plays for Easter and, lots of other fun things, singing songs on Sunday morning. I was like, yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
The church was a place where I was able, as a kid, to use gifts and and learn things. And so I wanted to do that that same thing. So we the staff of our church, we we put this in place, Create Hope Studios, and, developed different things. Like I said, art. We have art hall art studio. We have a dance studio. There’s instruments studio. There’s creative writing classes that we do.

Joshua Huisman:
And then we built the podcasting studio. And as I said, I I had a a background in Christian radio that I did for a couple years, and I love what we’re doing right now. I love this. I love having conversations with people who are in ministry, who are doing the Lord’s work. And, in fact, one of the reasons I started because I love talking to pastors and and people, authors who maybe a lot of people don’t know. Mhmm. I’m like, these people are great. We know all the megachurch people, and we know the people who are on TV and and yada yada yada.

Joshua Huisman:
You can’t get to them. Yeah. There’s so many great people of the Lord who are serving the Lord well and writing books and sharing what God’s given them, and and they don’t have a platform. And and I and so this podcast behind me, the Josh Heisman podcast, really started from that. And then being located in Nashville, I I I was able to have a couple name people come on the show. You know? That that’s been really fun. So I’ve been doing that now for a year and a half, little less than a year and a half. And then, a couple months ago, started a another podcast that we call a Biblical View, which was really I would I would get questions from people in the church.

Joshua Huisman:
You know? What about, you know, can I lose my salvation? Or or what does marriage look like in the bible? Or what and you should preach on this subject, and you should preach on this. And I’ll say, well, there’s only so many Sundays in in the week. I need another avenue to to really, have time on these conversations and on these questions. And so biblical view came out of that. And it’s something I I really enjoy. It doesn’t impact what I’m able to do as a pastor and just in shepherding people and being 1 on 1 with people when I need to. So so, yeah, like, a couple months into those, and, I’m just gonna kinda continue to grow it. So it’s it’s been fun.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. Oh, I love that too. And just sharing truth across the airwaves, because you never know how many people you can reach that you never would normally have had an opportunity to reach and even into other countries. So that’s pretty powerful too. But even getting to ask the questions, because I think that’s really important that people are able to actually have an active participation in their faith journey and getting answers and finding out, you know, different different answers to the questions that God provides in his word and to point people in the right direction. And I think it’s great that you do give platform to people that might normally not be heard, except for maybe in their church. And but you had you had did you you had the guy on from was it the Newsboys or who did you have on your show? Had

Joshua Huisman:
several Christian music artists. That has been one of the coolest parts of Mhmm. Of doing this, the Josh Heismann podcast is, is the conversation piece of and being in Nashville where there’s a lot of Christian music artists. I grew up listening to a lot of these guys who have been able to to interview, but, yeah, I’ve had the Newsboys on. There was a Christian band called White Hart that I’ve had several of those guys on. I’ve had on, Petra’s lead singer. I I’m working on right now. Oh, I’ve had Andy Christmann who was in the group for him.

Joshua Huisman:
He’s been on. I could just continue to go down the line, but but, that has been a lot of fun. In fact, oh, I 1, for anyone who’s in the trenches, Christian music fan, Steve Taylor is gonna be coming on here pretty soon. I don’t know if you know that name, but he was someone who I listened to growing up. Love him. He’s doing a new project with Russ Taft, And and I don’t know. It’s just cool to see how God has kinda pulled it together. And it all started, Doris.

Joshua Huisman:
There’s a friend of mine who has a studio in town called the hit lab. His name’s Nick Hider. And I was he’s had me on his show because I’m his pastor, and he’s had me on his Christmas show. And finally, you know, 3 the second time, I think it was, he’s like, pastor Josh, you need podcast. And I said, Nick, why would anyone want to listen to a podcast from me? There’s enough podcasts in the world and he knows I write songs. So he goes, he goes, oh, so there’s enough songs in the world too. So why don’t you stop writing those too?

Doris Swift:
Oh, snap.

Joshua Huisman:
I know. I was like, touche, Nick.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. That was a good point.

Joshua Huisman:
Yes. Yes. So, that was the start of it. I was like, okay, we got the studio. Why am I not doing this? It was already in place. It just wasn’t doing it. So Yeah. There you go.

Doris Swift:
Well, you’re a great host and do a great job, and your show is informative. And, you know, it’s entertaining too, which I think is really important. And, you have really good guests, and you touch on a lot of different things that maybe people really, really wanna hear about. So that’s good. And mainly to sharing the truth of the word of God. Yeah. Because there’s so many voices out there that aren’t

Joshua Huisman:
Right.

Doris Swift:
You know, even in the name of Jesus. And I’ll

Joshua Huisman:
tell you, you know, I went to like, how I even had you on the the my show in the first place was I went to a Christian Publishers conference Mhmm. And got a hold of your book, the the joy stealers. And okay. Off the top of my head, tell me the title again. Now consider the joy stealers.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. Surrender the joy stealers.

Joshua Huisman:
Surrender the joy stealers. That’s what it is. Okay. And, you know, I met these authors. Now just to be honest, I had not heard of you before that I was able to get that book. And that’s a great title, and it is such a it’s a much needed topic to talk about, especially for a women’s bible study where there are so many things that the devil throws at women to steal their joy.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
And, I mean, you could just go down the list of comparison game, negative thoughts, feelings of not measuring up. I mean, there’s so many things. And here you wrote this book. And had I not had a podcast, I would have just said, hey, Doris. Nice to meet you. Appreciate your book. You know, have a good life. Mhmm.

Joshua Huisman:
But the podcast is no. People there’s an audience and people who who I want to introduce you to and who I wanna have this conversation with. This is a worthy topic. God put this in his word to be addressed. And since I did that show, I’ve I’ve I had a couple copies of the book. I’ve given it out to people. We have a couple people in our church going through the study, and it’s all from the podcast. Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
So it it’s cool how God uses these things that that connect us.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. For sure. I love how God connects us. It’s it’s so powerful. And, yeah, it it is kind of funny that we met in Kentucky. And so yeah. So the Christian products expo where authors basically give their books free away to booksellers and, you know, other people who are involved in in the book industry to get their word, you know, the book out, the message of the book out. And so I think that was great, but it just such a blessing.

Doris Swift:
Thank you so much for sharing that and that you had the book and then you reached out to me, and now I had the opportunity to have you on my show. So that will reach other audience members, you know, out there too. So it’s just kinda Yes. Spreads how God does that. It’s just really amazing. So

Joshua Huisman:
Yeah. It’s so cool.

Doris Swift:
So cool. Very thankful for that. So, so are you currently writing anything right now, or what are you working on with the writing?

Joshua Huisman:
Yes. I am, actually. I, using the same principles of what I do today, I really believe in the power of incremental growth. Doing, doing a little bit each day and that it, it adds up over the course of a year. That’s, that’s the really essentially the Bible reading plan that I’m talking about. Making daily habits that you spend time in the word. And I, I took that same principle and. Every day I write something.

Joshua Huisman:
I write a page. I actually do it by hand. John Maxwell is a leadership guy who I, many people know, and I’ve followed him for years. He writes out everything by hand. Another guy who I know John Acuff is another person who writes it out by hand. There’s there’s many who do this. And I have notebooks that I’ll just write out page a day of different things. And so I’m currently writing.

Joshua Huisman:
I’ve written a devotion that’s all for all the Psalms Mhmm. That, I I send out a devotion each week on my website. So go to joshheismann.com. If you want to click, and subscribe to that, and you’ll get a devotion each week, joshheismann.com. That right now goes through all the Psalms. One Psalm a week. And, and then when I’m writing as far as in long book form is I’m writing a book that’s the working title of it is, Faith Giants Learning from Legends, which is based on Hebrews 11 in the Hall of Faith. And it’s taking each character listed in Hebrews 11 and giving how how God built their faith and what we can learn from it.

Joshua Huisman:
So learning from legends, Faith Giants.

Doris Swift:
Wow. That sounds wonderful. I’ll have to have you back on when you have that book come out. Yeah. So we could talk about that. But I love that. And also the encouragement of taking things, like, incrementally. They’re like doing doing things in increments, which is something that’s doable for everybody.

Doris Swift:
And I because I remember, you know, being in groups, which was that the group was actually called 500 words a day or whatever, you know, typing 500 words a day. And then if you add up the there’s, like, 250 words to a page. There’s this and now and you could figure over time, it it becomes a book. Of course, the first draft is never really what the book’s gonna be. But, and sometimes people will say, wow, that sounds like a lot of words. But it really isn’t a lot of words, and you’re not really trying to make them perfect because you go back, not like edit it or anything, just do 500 words a day. It kinda gets your muscle moving and you you start learning how to do that in the in the craft. But I it kinda makes me laugh because I think about when I was in college, because I went back to college at 55.

Doris Swift:
Anyway, and so, my husband would laugh at me because I’d be doing these papers. I had these papers due. And so I’m I’m like, I I went, like, over the word count by a 1000 words. And he’s like, I don’t even think I can come up with a 1000 words. So it’s

Joshua Huisman:
like, you

Doris Swift:
know, I had to, like, continually edit myself and cut chunks out. And I was like, oh, you know, as they say in I guess they mainly say it in fiction, kill your darlings, because, you know, it’s like sometimes you have this piece of a book that you think is just so good and you don’t wanna lose it. So but then you find that when you cut it out, it actually allows the flow to actually flow better, things like that. So there’s a lot to writing, and I think that’s great that you are first of all, you know, you have people who mentor you, who know their stuff, which is good. It’s important to have people mentor us just like people disciple us, you know, spiritually. When we have a craft like that, We need someone to come around us and help us with, you know, because they know the industry. They know how things go, and it’s not easy. Like, sometimes you put a book out and then people will ask, well, when’s your next book coming out? But if you’re self publishing, a lot of people can put them out pretty quickly or not.

Doris Swift:
You know, it just depends. But then

Joshua Huisman:
Mhmm.

Doris Swift:
In the traditionally published world, it take it takes years for a book to come to fruition. And so it’s it’s just a long journey, but it is a journey of love. So just trusting God and working through it and having patience with it.

Joshua Huisman:
Yeah. I think a lot of people, me included, we want to get the payoff faster. So if I’m that, that’s why I’ll go back to, so if I want to say, I want to read the Bible. So what am I going to do? I’m going to, I’m going to set a goal. I’m going to read the Bible through in a year. I’m going to get one of those books, one of those Bibles. Or let’s let’s take it in the world of of health. We we go, oh, I know I need to lose £20.

Joshua Huisman:
And so we put together a a drastic plan. Well, you should do keto, or you could do the Mediterranean diet, or I have a friend who lost this in 1 month on Mediterranean diet, or I have a friend who lost this in 1 month on whatever. And we’re like, okay. 1 month. That’s what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna do something so extreme. And then we do it for a month and maybe we hit the goal, maybe we don’t, but then the month is over and then we fall back to our old ways and we don’t continue on because what we’re doing is too extreme. We wanted a shortcut that would get us there as fast as possible.

Joshua Huisman:
And maybe we got there, but we didn’t really change our life. Alright. So then it just goes away. And so my my point is is, like, even in the world of writing, someone says, I wanna write a book. And so they go, but in order to write a book, I gotta get into a flow state. And I I gotta I gotta sit down and be able to just start writing. And and you sit down, and maybe the first day you write out 3,000 words and you’re like, oh, this is amazing. But then for the next week, you stare at the blank page because you can’t think of anything else.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
So for the year, then you never returned to it. And you wrote by the end of the year, you wrote 35 100 words because it was too much, and you didn’t really form the habit. But what if what if you set a goal each day what you just said? I’m gonna write 250 words a day. 500, I don’t know, but let’s just go with 250 words a day. And there’s gonna be days when I’m feeling it. There’s gonna be days when I’m not feeling it. Whatever it may be, but all I know is this, I’m gonna show up. 250 words a day times 365 days is more than a book.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
That’s that’s multiple. And so you’re you’re building the habit. And not only that, now like I said, 6 to 8 weeks, you reach a point where you realize, wait a minute. I look forward to doing this every day. And so I don’t know if we even wanna get into this. I this I’ve really applied this to every area of my life, even my health. Back in December of 2023, I was not feeling good. I was feeling unhealthy.

Joshua Huisman:
I I was in a place where I was having, extra heartbeats going on and lot of health stuff. So I had to go visit cardiologist and see what’s going on with me. I just feel really bad. And one of my wife’s friends passed away at a young age, and we’re at our funeral in 1st week of December last year. And I was sitting there going, I think I’m next. Like, I really feel like I’m next, and I don’t know what to do because if I’m not next, I don’t know how much longer I can live because I I felt really, really bad. And I was telling my wife about it. I was like, I don’t I don’t know what to do.

Joshua Huisman:
And so cardiologist put me on some some medicine, and I was sitting down one day. And keep in mind, I had this bible reading plan that I was doing. I had, and I was just sitting there, and I thought, man, I’ve been alive 46 years and it’s come to this. I I I just don’t know what I could do to to get healthy and do it. The truth is I knew exactly what to do. I just had not implemented a plan for myself the way I had with my bible reading plan. And and and, again, light bulb moment. I I feel God just spoke to me and said, what if what if you set a goal for yourself? And instead of wanting to achieve that goal in the shortest amount of time possible, what if you just stretch that out over the course of 12 months? So you don’t jot like, you wanna get healthy and you wanna lose a certain amount of weight.

Joshua Huisman:
So I at this point, so I was like, okay. I gotta go step on the scale. I stepped on the scale. I was 262 was my weight at the time. And I was like, okay. My my my normal course of action would be like, oh my goodness. I gotta do something. I’ll get through the holidays because it’s December.

Joshua Huisman:
Christmas is coming up. Let me let me get you know, I gotta I gotta get my food on in the December Christmas party season. And and then in January, I’ll do something crazy like, extreme, you know, no carb thing or some kind of deal, and boom. That’ll that but then I realized I’ve done that every year. I’ve done that every year, And this has been my life. And now I feel the way that I do. And so, and forgive me if I’m talking too much, but I get passionate about this. You ask me about

Doris Swift:
my past. So,

Joshua Huisman:
so I was like, okay, if I continue on the path that I’m on, I’m I’m gonna die. Mhmm. So what do I have to lose here? If I went all in and I wrote out a plan that every day I’m gonna show up every day, and I’m gonna do something. I’m gonna not do anything extreme. I’m gonna I’m gonna cut out a couple things in my diet during the week, and then I’m gonna add exercise every day to my routine during the week. And I’m gonna I’m gonna do that. And so I I did little things like, you know, for those who know what intermittent fasting is, I did little things like I cut out breakfast, and I just drink a cup of black coffee in the morning. For the 1st month, Doris, I wanted to punch somebody because I like apple fritters, and I like breakfast foods.

Joshua Huisman:
Okay? And it’s like, this is hard. But you know what was harder? Having my heart be all weird and out of whack and and and feeling like I was gonna struggle. The other thing that I did was I found a picture of myself from when I was in college, which was the lightest that I’d ever been and healthiest I’d ever been. My junior year of college in Ole Miss. I weigh £205, and I was in shape, and I was a baseball player, yada yada yada. I had hair and everything. It was amazing. So so I had that picture, and I looked at it.

Joshua Huisman:
I was like, oh my goodness. I can so I put that picture up. And I looked at that picture. I’m not joking. I said, I’m catching you. Like, I I was like, I was talking to myself as an 18 year old. Mhmm. I’m gonna be healthier and in better shape than you, Josh.

Joshua Huisman:
Mhmm. I’m catching you. And I’m not doing it this month. I’m one step at a time. I’m gonna catch you. So I got a daily planner a weekly planner. And at the end of each month, I subtracted £5 off of my weight of 262.

Doris Swift:
Wow.

Joshua Huisman:
And and that I’m gonna show up every day. I’m gonna do an exercise. I’m gonna run. I’m gonna I’m gonna keep it interesting. I I set little rules for myself that were kind of fun. I’m not allowed to do the same exercise 2 days in a row because then I’ll get bored. Yeah. So I I would, like, find little things that I do.

Joshua Huisman:
One day I would jog, and the next day I would do the Stairmaster. And the other day I would do the elliptical, or I would do. And then I would do some weights and workout stuff depending on how much time I had. And so I, I put it on this calendar. And so at the end of January, I’ll be 257 at the end of February. I’ll be 252 At the end of March, I’ll be 247. And I just kept going and I realized, okay, if I keep that pace, that right now, around this time, I will surpass Josh from his junior year of college and I’ll be there. And I’ll tell you what, I’m past it.

Doris Swift:
Wow. That’s amazing.

Joshua Huisman:
As of as of today, I’m between I think I’m 195 Mhmm. Is where I am, as far as health goes. But even more than that, I’m I’m more, healthy and in shape physically, but it all came from building incremental daily as opposed to an all at once mindset.

Doris Swift:
Wow. That was so good. And I can relate to it for sure. And I know people listening can relate to this because it’s the same like you said, you were stuck in this cycle of it’s like the thing about insanity doing the same thing over and trying to come up with a different, like, outcome. It’s like not working. And you’re right. When we do the shortcut, like, the shortcuts and the quick fixes, and marketing is crazy because it’s all over. You know, you can’t go on the Internet, you can’t watch TV, you can’t do anything without these quick fix things in our face all the time, and making it sound good, or you can do this in, like like you said, 30 days or whatever.

Doris Swift:
But you’re right. It just it doesn’t stick unless you change the lifestyle, unless you make changes. And it just kinda reminds me of how spiritually we go through a transformation. You know, we accept Christ. We become a new creature, and there’s a transformation. And and that goes to our physical bodies. I mean, we’re the temple of the holy spirit. Like, we have to take care of ourselves

Joshua Huisman:
and

Doris Swift:
be around and do what God’s calling us to do. If we’re not healthy disciples, we’re not gonna be able to do that. But, you know, he just, I know, just smiles when he sees, because that that that is what works. And just, like, not doing it only like, I’m gonna lose this many pounds because I have to go on a cruise, you know, in 2 months or something. You know, always Yeah. Just like thinking it’s like a mindset shift. Like you were saying, we were talking about that too when I was on your show. We were talking about, you know, the whole mindset thing, and the taking thoughts captive, and and all of that.

Doris Swift:
So I appreciate you sharing that, and Yeah. And being vulnerable about

Joshua Huisman:
that. You know how Romans 12 says, be transformed by the renewing of your mind? Mhmm. You know, scripture also says that when we accept Christ as our savior, we become a new creation in Christ. But take those 2 together. I’m a new creation in Christ. Romans 12 says, be transformed by the renewing of your mind. That’s it. That’s transformation over time.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
It’s begin a journey that goes there. So then since that is the goal, that’s what we want to do is we want to transform ourselves. Well, this is not something something that I wanna get there as quickly as I possibly can. It it becomes a daily process of opening the word, reading the word, letting it seep into who you are, loving the Lord with all that you are, and then letting that transform how you see everything and and what you do in life. We we put way too much emphasis on wanting to get there as fast as we can, and we we forget the journey.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
And here’s here’s the thing that I will tell people. I got 4 or 5 months into it. And then I just threw out the goal. I said, I don’t even care about the goal anymore. I just love doing this.

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
And so I actually had to remind myself, it was 2 months ago, you should probably go weigh yourself just to see where you’re at in this. Okay? But it no longer had an effect on, Oh, when I started, I was like, I’ll do this for a year. I did not realize that I had stumbled upon something that’s like, I’m just going to do this for the rest of my life because I just, I just love doing it. And this, if you were to talk to me 5 years ago, if I were to have a conversation with Josh 5 years ago, he would go, I don’t even know who you are. Like, the way you’re reading, spending time in the word, the way you’re you’re you’re doing what? You’re eating you’re not eating? What?

Doris Swift:
Who are you?

Joshua Huisman:
I mean so Who

Doris Swift:
are you right now?

Joshua Huisman:
Yes. Who are you? You know? But then he would also be excited, and then I he would probably even cry and be like, I didn’t think that was possible. And I’m telling whoever’s listening right now, it is possible. You just you just show up every day. Know the day before what you’re gonna do. Know what you’re gonna read, know what you’re gonna eat, know what exercise you’re gonna do, all those things. And if you stack those good days, don’t underestimate what 1 year from now it could be like for you.

Doris Swift:
Wow. What a powerful thing to really think that through. And, you know, I’m thinking I’m gonna do this for the rest of my life sounds like just too much at first, but how you it was like a year. I can do this for a year. And then after a while, it was like, I can do this for the rest of my life. It was like it’s a realization, and I that that is so encouraging, really. And I know it’s gonna help a lot of people because there’s so many out there, you know, who are struggling with this very thing and the yo yo diets and the fads and, you know, all of that. So it’s just all around being healthy.

Doris Swift:
And, so all the things that you shared are so good, and I know that’s gonna help.

Joshua Huisman:
One other thing I I don’t wanna throw it in there when I said that Romans 12 be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Think about it like this. You’re gonna be able to relate to this. We’re all gonna be able to relate to this. You know how certain times of day you crave certain things? Mhmm. One of the things that it was for me, you’re gonna laugh, around 3 o’clock in the afternoon, I’d be so tired. I was like, I gotta take a nap.

Joshua Huisman:
Now, 3 o’clock is usually a busy time of day and and things are going on. You know, I pastor at church and there’s a lot of commotion going on and I’m like, I am so exhausted and so tired that I just feel like I need to lay down and take a nap. And in this process, when I began this program, I was like, I’m gonna I’m gonna do a little test here. I wanna see if I have trained my mind and body that 3 o’clock is nap time. Mhmm. And

Joshua Huisman:
And

Joshua Huisman:
what if I instead train my mind and my body to say 3 o’clock is the exercise time.

Doris Swift:
Wow.

Joshua Huisman:
And what I found is 1 year ago at 3 o’clock in the afternoon I’m so tired, whatever. Now at 3 o’clock in the afternoon, I’m I’m going, okay. What what are we doing? Okay. And so I schedule a podcast, and I schedule different things around usually around that 4 o’clock time, whatever. Maybe, you know, we’re recording this in the in the late afternoon, going into the evening. But but these would’ve been times that I’d be like, oh, I’m so done. I’m so tired. Mhmm.

Joshua Huisman:
You know? And so that that is a part of the process of retraining your mind

Doris Swift:
Yeah.

Joshua Huisman:
And your body to you might not currently be able to do it, but you can retrain.

Doris Swift:
Yeah. I love that. It’s like things don’t have to always be the way they are. They can be different. And it reminds me of a book somebody gave my husband several years ago, and I I haven’t read the book. I don’t think it’s like a faith based book or anything like that, but the title is just so gripping. It’s younger next year, and it just kind of encourages you to get into a healthier routine and just, like, take add years back onto your life that we’re currently taking off our life because of the way we’re living. But I love that you kind of flipped the script and and now look at it from a different perspective and actually conditioned into that.

Doris Swift:
Like, you just fell right into it just by God’s help, you know, actually

Joshua Huisman:
Yeah.

Doris Swift:
Changing the habits. And it just was like a domino effect in your life, in all areas of your life. Because I’m sure it helps relationally too and, you know, in all different areas of your life. So I think that’s fantastic. And so I so appreciate this has been so great. And, I would love if you could share again how the listener can connect with you and find all the things that we talk about in the show.

Joshua Huisman:
Yeah. There’s a a couple places, actually. So first thing I’ll say is I’m the senior pastor of New Hope Community Church in Brentwood. New Hope’s website is new hope church tn.org. There’s messages and all that fun stuff there if you wanna see what we’re up to here at the church on the south side of Nashville. You can also go to joshheismann.com, and I have devotions there. The podcast is, has a page there as well. You can go to YouTube.

Joshua Huisman:
I have the Josh Huisman Podcast. And one thing that I’m actually in the process of doing now is, is, making the Josh Huisman Podcast actually is going to have each day of the week something, of a teaching material. So on Mondays is when I have a conversation based podcast, like what you and I are doing right now. Mhmm. Pretty soon on Tuesdays, it’ll be more coaching based. So everything we just talked about, about incremental growth and change and reading Bible and how do I begin to build godly habits into my life will be a a Tuesday, like a 10 minute, 15 minute coaching thing that I’ll do. On Wednesday, I have my show called the biblical view that’ll that comes out where we have a conversation on Bible topics. Thursday is, the message that I Mhmm.

Joshua Huisman:
That I do at New Hope, that week, and then Friday is my Psalms devotion. So go to to YouTube and put in the Josh Heitzman podcast, and boom, all that stuff will be there.

Doris Swift:
There you go. And that’s very intentional. I have a plan for every day, which is good. Yes. So well, thank you so much for being on the show. It’s been great. And, if you’re listening today, just reach out. I’ll have the link in the show notes so you can find the different things that we talked about in the show, and also link up the show that I did with Josh on his show.

Doris Swift:
And so, great. Well, I’d love to have you back on the show sometime.

Joshua Huisman:
Oh, it would be awesome. Now let me just give you a plug real quick because I think everything we’re talking about in in your book, Surrender the Joystealers, is right in line with it, you know, as far as taking thoughts captive and making a daily habit of not letting things steal your joy. And there are so many things in this world that will steal your joy if you allow them to. And so the book that you have written and the study, it really is 1 it’s a vital book in the process of of renewing your mind to reclaim joy and not let it be stolen from you. So I’m gonna give you a plug and say, hey. Just like I said on my show, everybody, I know you’re here, and this is Doris’ show. But, you know, I would go here’s what I did. Go get the book and get one for yourself and get one for someone else and give it to someone else so that they can go on the journey with you.

Doris Swift:
Well, thank you. That blesses me so much, and, I appreciate that. And, yeah, it’s just a joy to to share. A joy. Yes. A joy to share. Because we’re we’re all in this life together, and we wanna, you know, lift each other and encourage each other. And that’s what I love how the word says that, you know, encourage one another and lift each other up.

Doris Swift:
So that’s what we’re we’re we’re doing. Awesome. So very good. Well, thank you so much. God bless you and your family and your ministry and all that you’re doing. And and, I look forward to seeing more things. And when that book comes out, you come on back on the show, and we’ll talk about it. Oh,

Joshua Huisman:
it would be great. It’d be great. Now you go to the beach, and you spend more time there.

Doris Swift:
Alright. That’ll be on my calendar.

Joshua Huisman:
There you go. Thank you, Doris.

Doris Swift:
Thank you. We’ll talk soon.